Vassalboro selectmen discuss delinquent personal property taxes

by Mary Grow

Vassalboro selectmen started the new calendar year with a short Jan. 9 meeting that left them satisfied with most items discussed.

The main dissatisfaction is with residents who ignore the state law requiring payment of personal property taxes on business equipment, from bulldozers to computers. Town Manager Mary Sabins is investigating the merits of taking scofflaws to small claims court.

Town Manager Mary Sabins is investigating the merits of taking scofflaws to small claims court.

She learned that claims must be filed within six years. On her recommendation, selectmen wrote off almost $6,000 in older unpaid taxes.

They made no decision on whether taking people to court would be worth the time and cost. A dozen people are on the overdue list, including two whose older taxes were written off as uncollectible.

Sabins said she reminds people who owe personal property tax at intervals. Some, she said, appreciate the reminder and pay the tax; others she suspects throw away her notices.

Selectmen met in a meeting room lined with file cabinets and supplies moved from the utility room, which was flooded by a boiler malfunction just before the Christmas holiday. Repairs are expected to take another month.

Sabins explained that plumbing and electrical work are needed, as well as replacement of an unknown area of sheetrock. The town office will be closed Friday, Jan. 17, for computer system maintenance and Monday, Jan. 20, for the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday; Sabins expects some of the work to be done those days.

In other business, the two selectmen present unanimously accepted Sabins’ suggestion that she apply for a bank credit card in the town’s name.

They unanimously approved two junkyard permits recommended by Codes Enforcement Officer Paul Mitnik, for Olin C. and Olin J. Charette, of Weeks Mills Garage, and Roger Pomerleau, of RAP, both on Riverside Drive.

Board Chairman Lauchlin Titus commented that with the new LED streetlights installed last fall, “We’ve got some nice savings.”

Board member John Melrose reported the Solar Array Committee plans to have a request for proposals for installing solar power in Vassalboro ready for selectmen’s review at their next meeting, scheduled for Thursday evening, Jan. 23.

Vassalboro, Winslow: After-School programs win award

Front row, from left to right:, Jennifer Lizotte, administrative assistant, and Tiffany Carrigan, director of programming. Back row, Jim Fortunato, and Samantha Bernatchez, director of operations. (contributed photo)

Jim Fortunato, Let’s Go! Northern Kennebec County Coordinator, Northern Light Inland Hospital, has awarded the Winslow and Vassalboro Before/After School Programs with a Gold Recognition for the 2018-19 school year. This is the highest level of recognition for sites that have achieved all five priority strategies of the 5210 Let’s Go! Program.

The 5210 Let’s Go!, introduced in 2012, is committed to promoting policy and environmental changes at childcare programs, schools, out-of-school programs, health care practices, and workplaces. The program’s multi-setting approach, daily 5-2-1-0 message (five or more fruits and vegetables, two hours or less of screen time, one hour or more of physical activity and zero sugary drinks) and 10 evidence-based strategies are used to effect change across the state of Maine. Strong leadership from The Barbara Bush Children’s Hospital at Maine Medical Center and collaboration across health systems and community health coalitions contribute to the program’s success.

The 5210 Let’s Go! awards bronze, silver and gold awards to programs who support and collaborate with them around healthy eating and increased physical activity. A Bronze award reflects a site’s implementing the program’s five evidence-based priority strategies. Silver acknowledges a site that has communicated these changes to parents and family members. Gold, the highest level of recognition, is reserved for sites that have written all five priority strategies into policy or have school staff participate on the district’s wellness committee.

VASSALBORO: School agrees to cooperate with selectmen on solar power

by Mary Grow

At their Dec. 17 meeting, Superintendent Alan Pfeiffer said, Vassalboro School Board members unanimously approved two motions to cooperate with the selectmen in developing solar power in town.

The selectmen, on recommendations from the Solar Array Committee, previously agreed to invite the school department to join them in creating a solar project and sharing the electricity it produces. Their list of possible sites included the Vassalboro Community School grounds (see The Town Line, Dec. 19).

The first motion on the school board agenda approved participating in the solar project, as authorized by town meeting vote and conditional on the school sharing cost savings.

The second approved leaving the VCS campus on the list of sites to be considered, with the school board to have final approval if the VCS land is selected.

Pfeiffer said the next step is for selectmen to choose an expert to study proposed sites and recommend the one or ones most suitable.

School board members also continued review of school policies and discussed contract negotiations with school employees.

The next regular school board meeting is scheduled for 6 p.m., Tuesday, Jan. 14.

Erskine Renaissance Awards presented for December 2019

Seniors of the Trimester, front row, from left to right, Julia Basham and Summer Hotham. Back row, Lucy Allen, Jacob Sutter, Ben Reed and Dominic Smith. (contributed photo)

On Friday, December 13, Erskine Academy students and staff attended a Renaissance Assembly to honor their peers with Renaissance Awards.

Left, Faculty of the Trimester, Jennifer Tibbetts, left, and Eileen McNeff. (contributed photo)

Recognition Awards were presented to the following students: Jack Allen, Lily Bray, Nathan Million, Sydni Plummer, Hanna Spitzer, Benjamin Lavoie, Alyssha Gil, and Eleena Lee.

In addition to Recognition Awards, Senior of the Trimester Awards were also presented to six members of the senior class: Lucy Allen, daughter of Patrick and Shirley Allen, of Windsor; Julia Basham, daughter of Tim and Catherine Basham, of China; Dominic Smith, son of Katrina and Dan Jackson, of Whitefield; Ben Reed, son of Kevin and Jennifer Reed, of Vassalboro; Summer Hotham, daughter of Charles and Heide Hotham, of Palmero; and Jacob Sutter, son of Richard and Jenny Sutter, of Palermo. Seniors of the Trimester are recognized as individuals who have gone above and beyond in all aspects of their high school careers.

In appreciation of their dedication and service to Erskine Academy, Faculty of the Trimester awards were also presented to Jennifer Tibbetts, mathematics instructor; and Eileen McNeff, business office bookkeeper.

Vassalboro selectmen OK request to allow fishway construction

by Mary Grow

Vassalboro selectmen had a variety of ideas on their Dec. 12 agenda, and their reactions were similarly varied.

They unanimously approved a request from Maine Rivers (leading the Alewife Restoration Project [ARI]), represented by Matt Streeter, to sign an access and construction license agreement allowing construction of a fishway at the town-owned China Lake Outlet Dam in East Vassalboro.

Streeter said the work will be on the east bank of Outlet Stream below the dam. The Cates family has allowed access over their property.

Streeter met with representatives of several engineering firms and asked for bids on the work by Jan. 21. He expects to have a near-final design for selectmen’s review in March and a final design by the end of April to submit to the state agencies whose approval is needed.

Resident Michael Poulin asked selectmen to amend Vassalboro’s Tax Increment Financing (TF) program to allow additional uses for TIF funds. Selectmen turned the request into a unanimous decision to hire the Central Maine Growth Council to advise on amendments to the TIF that would provide wider benefits.

The TIF fund is financed by taxes paid on the gas pipeline running through Vassalboro. In recent years most available TIF funds have gone to the Vassalboro Sanitary District’s sewer extension project and ARI.

Selectmen voted unanimously to table – effectively deny – a request from resident Arthur Kingdon to endorse a proposed resolution supporting LD 1431, a Resolve to Support Municipal Recycling Programs by requiring producers of packaging to share costs of recycling it. Selectmen appreciated Kingdon’s involvement in the effort but Board Chairman Lauchlin Titus believes it would add to Maine’s reputation as a state unfriendly to business.

Turning to solar power, Selectman John Melrose reported the town’s Solar Array Committee recommends four possible sites for solar panels: behind the North Vassalboro fire station, the Vassalboro Community School grounds, the Vassalboro Sanitary District site in East Vassalboro and the town office lot west and north of the building.

Committee members suggested asking the school board to join the town in developing solar power; the school board had the item on its Dec. 17 agenda. The Vassalboro Sanitary District is also to be invited to participate.

In other business Dec. 12, selectmen unanimously approved a BYOB event at St. Bridget Center on Jan. 11.

They listed several examples of cooperative community events. Titus commended Raymond Breton and Donald Breton for their work preparing for the annual Christmas tree lighting. Melrose reported the Trails Committee is working with a rejuvenated snowmobile club. Titus added that the Vassalboro Business Association is working with multiple other town groups including the library, the Masons and the Recreation Committee.

The next regular Vassalboro selectmen’s meeting is scheduled for Thursday evening, Jan. 9.

Sew For A Cause returns in January

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The ladies at the Vassalboro charity group Sew for a Cause are at it again: saving the world one thread at a time.

Some of their recent accomplishments include:

Quilts, throw pillows and pillowcases made for Habitat for Humanity and picked up by Peter Phair.

Pajama pants, hats, neck warmers and quilts made for the Home for Little Wanderers’ Christmas program and picked up by John Veilleux.

Quilts, hats, bibs, afghans and sleeping sacks made for the Home for Little Wanderers’ Teen Parent Program and picked up by Rebecca Judd.

Several dozen pillowcases made for Project Sparrow’s program for at risk foster children.

The Sew for a Cause ladies would like to thank everyone who has donated fabric, supplies, and sewing machines.

Sew for a Cause will meet again on January 9 and 23, weather permitting, at St. Bridget Center from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. All are invited to attend. For more information, please email

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Maine politics: A conversation with five local legislators

(photo by Eric Austin)

This is the first of a three-part series written by Eric W. Austin.

(The following does not necessarily constitute the opinions of The Town Line staff or its board of directors.)

by Eric W. Austin

Sometimes the noise from Washington is so loud, it drowns out what’s going on right here in Maine. A few months ago, the Maine Legislature wrapped up their first regular session with a final vote on a two-year state budget. So, with legislators on recess until January, I thought it would be a good time to catch up with them to discuss their thoughts on the recent legislative session.

In my research for this series of articles, I sat down with five Maine state legislators, including Senator Matt Pouliot, representing District 15 (Augusta, China, Oakland, Sidney and Vassalboro); and representatives Catherine Nadeau (Winslow and part of Benton), Bruce White (Waterville), Justin Fecteau (Augusta), and Richard Bradstreet (Vassalboro, Windsor, Somerville and part of Augusta). I thank each of these public servants for spending the time to answer my questions, and for their consent to have the interview recorded so I could provide accurate quotations.

This first article will look at some of the accomplishments of the last legislative session, with subsequent articles focusing on other issues that came up in our discussions, such as: the biggest challenges facing Maine over the next few decades, the impact of social media on local politics, and the state of partisanship in Augusta (it’s not as bad as you think!).

Maine’s first regular legislative session generally runs from January to June (in 2019, it ran a bit late as budget talks dragged into July). This first session is where the majority of bills are proposed and voted on and the all-important two-year budget is drawn up, debated and signed. Any bills not voted on during this first year may either go away or – if they have been specially authorized – they may be carried over into the second year, called the second regular session.

The second regular session will begin in January 2020, but only runs until about April. Although the legislature won’t have a full budget to contend with, it may still have supplemental budgetary items on which to vote, and the governor also has authority to submit additional bills for them to consider.

Justin Fecteau

By anyone’s estimation, 2019 was a busy legislative session. It was the kind of session that left an impression on freshman representative Justin Fecteau of Augusta, who sits on the Education and Cultural Affairs Committee. “I think we nearly broke the State House capacity,” he told me at Huiskamer Coffee House on Water Street, in Augusta, a business he runs with his wife, Grace, when he’s not teaching German at Maranacook Community High School.

“Twenty-one hundred bills were submitted for a six-month legislative session,” he said. “We were putting a lot on the people that work in the advisors office.” The legislative advisors office is a nonpartisan service in state government which helps legislators turn their ideas into legal text.

Catherine Nadeau

I asked Catherine Nadeau, a representative from Winslow who is serving her fourth and final term before retiring from the House in 2020, what legislative accomplishments she was most proud of from the last year. “We provided $130 million [in] property tax relief,” she responded. “That’s what we accomplished this year. We increased the Homestead Exemption by $5,000, [from $20,000] to $25,000. We expanded eligibility for the Property Tax Fairness Credit.” She also mentioned the inclusion of an additional 800 seniors under Maine’s Drugs for the Elderly program and the recent MaineCare expansion. She finished by saying, “This is what we got done, and we still have a surplus.”

Matt Pouliot

Senator Matt Pouliot, who also supported increasing the Homestead Exemption, recognizes the property tax burden on Mainers, especially for low income or fixed income residents. He actually wanted to raise the Homestead Exemption even higher. “I had a bill in to increase it to $50,000 with full reimbursement from the state,” he said, “because we are all hearing from our constituents: property taxes are a challenge for us – especially folks who are those baby boomers just getting into retirement, living on a fixed income. Even if their home is paid for, that property tax bill keeps going up and up and up, and it makes it more difficult for them to live on a fixed income.”

Bruce White

Bruce White, a freshman representative from Waterville, was particularly proud of the legislature for increasing the percentage of municipal revenue sharing this year. Municipal revenue sharing is a way of reimbursing cities which pay a larger percentage of state taxes.

“Cities like Waterville, where a lot of commuters come in during the day – you have the hospitals and colleges and stuff – [so] we have more strain on our city,” Representative White explained. “We need more fire safety, and police safety, and [the increase in municipal revenue sharing] helps us.

“It got decreased over the years,” he said. “It was down as low as two percent – it was supposed to be five [percent]. Waterville, for instance, in the last ten years, has lost – because it got reduced – about $1.1 to $1.2 million a year on average that we used to generate.”

The level of revenue sharing is always a tug of war between the state and city governments.

White continued, “We increased it from two percent to three percent starting in fiscal year 2020. For Waterville, that was $670,000 they received more than last year. That’s a big deal. That’s almost a mil right in Waterville. That helps our elderly, low income, middle class – everybody. That was a big success. The following year it goes up to 3.75 percent, so we’re on our way up to get it back to where it was originally.”

Despite the additional services delivered to Mainers like the expansion of MaineCare to benefit the state’s seniors and the increase in municipal revenue sharing, which will return more money back to local communities, both representatives White and Nadeau pointed to a surplus at the end of the last fiscal year and a growing Budget Stabilization (or “rainy day”) Fund.

The state’s accounting can be a bit tricky to untangle, especially since this particular subject is partial to a great deal of political spin, but essentially, the last fiscal year, ending June 30, saw a surplus of approximately $168 million, meaning this was the amount by which state revenues exceeded state expenditures. For some comparison, the state’s surplus from the previous two-year budget, in 2017, was $110.9 million. Since Maine is a state that requires a balanced budget by law, some surplus at the end of the year is expected.

The budget surplus is only part of the story, however. Also important is what the government decides to do with that surplus. This year, legislators rolled $139.2 of the $167.8 million back into the new budget, leaving $28.1 million of actual surplus. After a small amount (about $6 million) was set aside for several high priority requirements, including operating capital, the governor’s contingency account, the FAME loan insurance reserve, and state retiree health insurance, the remaining surplus, about $22.1 million, was divided according to an 80/20 split, with the largest portion, $18.1 million, deposited into the Budget Stabilization Fund, also known as the “Rainy Day Fund.” This is the state savings account meant to protect Maine from budget shortfalls in case of an unexpected recession or other statewide emergency. According to Maine’s Department of Administration and Financial Services, the total balance of our Budget Stabilization Fund, including this year’s deposit, is now at $236,904,105.

The other 20 percent of the remaining surplus, or about $4.5 million, was deposited into the Property Tax Relief Fund. This is a new fund created during the most recent legislative session, and replaces an account originally set up by the LePage administration simply called the Tax Relief Fund. In previous years, 20 percent of the state’s surplus was deposited into this fund with the intention that, when the fund reached a certain balance, it would trigger a permanent 0.2 percent reduction in the state income tax for all Maine residents. (The fund has never reached those specified limits, and so no reduction in the income tax rate has ever actually been triggered.)

However, this year the legislature made two changes to that earlier policy. First, the former Tax Relief Fund was combined with several other funds and renamed the Property Tax Relief Fund. It’s still fed through deposits of 20 percent of the state’s budgetary surplus, however the methodology which triggers tax relief for Mainers has been significantly changed. Instead of activating a permanent reduction in Maine’s income tax after reaching a specified balance, it will now trigger a rebate of at least $100 for Maine homeowners who have applied and qualified for the Homestead Exemption, once the fund has a sufficient balance to cover such a rebate. That limit was reached this year, so many of you should be receiving $100 checks in the mail by next March.

The change in how the tax relief is triggered is important because the old rules rewarded tax relief based on the level of a resident’s income, with higher income residents receiving a larger benefit than those on the lower end of the income scale. In contrast, under the new rules, all eligible homeowners collect the same $100 rebate regardless of income, although Mainers who are renters – or those who do not qualify for the Homestead Exemption – are left out in the cold.

While Maine’s Budget Stabilization Fund continues to grow, it’s current balance might not paint as rosy a picture as one might think. The two-year budget passed this year in the legislature totaled $7.98 billion, so although $237 million in Maine’s “Rainy Day Fund” might seem like a lot, is it really? Some representatives in Augusta don’t think so.

Richard Bradstreet

“Sooner or later we’re going to have a recession,” explained Vassalboro Representative Richard Bradstreet, who voted against the two-year budget. “It’s going to come and we have to be ready for that.”

Senator Matt Pouliot expressed similar reservations about the recent budget. “This is the first budget that I voted against in my seven years of legislative service,” he said, “because the increase in spending was just so drastic in such a short period of time that I couldn’t get behind it.”

The current budget represents an increase of just over 12 percent above the previous budget of $7.1 billion, signed in 2017. This increase is nearly three times more than the rate of inflation over the same period, although state revenues have also risen during that time. Most of the budget increases come from the expansion of Maine’s Medicaid program, MaineCare; the rise in the percentage of municipal revenue sharing; and increases for education and opioid treatment.

For some expert advice on Maine’s fiscal health, let’s turn to Sarah Austin, a policy analyst for the nonpartisan group, the Maine Center for Economic Policy (and of no relation to the author of this article). She testified earlier this year before the Maine House and Senate as a subject matter expert about the recent tax relief changes and the importance of building up cash reserves to help the state weather future economic storms.

Sarah Austin

“According to the most recent analysis from the Consensus Economic Forecasting Commission and Revenue Forecasting Committee,” she stated in her testimony from May, “Maine’s Budget Stabilization Fund contains only 37 percent of the funds necessary to withstand a moderate recession without cutting into baseline spending or raising revenue.”

I asked her via email if she was suggesting Maine still needed to do more to prepare for a possible economic downturn. She replied, “Good fiscal policy isn’t necessarily the rallying cry of the public, but yes, having reserves does impact the speed and adequacy of state responses during recessions. [A Budget Stabilization Fund of] $650 million could get us through a moderate recession without cutting services when they are most critical to supporting the economy.”

So, although the current financial reserves contained in Maine’s Budget Stabilization Fund are at some of their highest levels ever, good fiscal policy suggests they should be significantly higher if Maine is to survive a sudden slump in the economy unscathed.

And that is just one of the challenges Maine is facing as we head toward the middle of the 21st century. Based on my discussions with five local legislators, the next article in this series will take a deeper look at the biggest obstacles to Maine’s continued growth and prosperity: things like an aging workforce and the difficulty of attracting younger families to settle and build their lives here in Maine, the state’s need for skilled tradesmen and how it’s driving up prices for everyone, rising healthcare costs and the increasing strain on Maine’s do-it-all school systems, and much, much more!

Eric W. Austin writes exclusively for The Town Line newspaper about issues important to central Maine. He can be reached at

Vassalboro Community School first quarter honor roll (fall 2019)

Vassalboro Community School. (source:


Grade 8: Elizabeth Brown, Gage Dorval, Savannah Estes, Tara Hanley, Nathan Polley and Lara Stinchfield. Grade 7: Noah Bechard, Landen Blodgett, Allison Dorval, Ava Kelso and Greta Limberger. Grade 6: Emily Almeida, Madison, Estabrook, Jacob Lavallee, Ava Lemelin, Brayden McLean, Mylee Petela, Hannah Polley and Leahna Rocque. Grade 5: Nataleigh Brown, Madison Burns, Tallulah Cloutier, Sophie Day, Ryley Desmond, Cody Grondin, Jack Malcolm and Kelty Pooler. Grade 4: Drake Goodie and Reid Willett. Grade 3: Caylie Buotte, Emily Clark, Keegan Clark, Baylee Fuchswanz, Zoe Gaffney, Allyson Gilman, Kaitlyn Lavallee, Cheyenne Lizzotte, Mia McLean, Mackenzy Monroe, Callen Pooler and Ava Woods.


Grade 8: Hunter Brandt, Nathalia Carrasco, Madelynn Cimino, Connor Coull, Isabella Day, Lexus Field, Cole Fortin, Meilani Gatlin, Aleigha Gooding, Tyler Hansen, Lucas Haskell, Brody Loiko, Ethan Lyon, Hannah Piecewicz, Logan Rockwell, Tristan Samuelson, Lilian Taylor and Brandon Wood. Grade 7: Brooke Blais, EvanBrochu, Sofia Derosby, Brady Desmond, Ellie Giampetruzzi, Kailynn Houle, Josiah Hussey, Kyran Kinrade, Bodi Laflamme, Alysha Opacki,, Seth, Picard, Ava Picard, Wallace Pooler, Grant Taker and Emma Waterhouse. Grade 6: Addyson Burns, Quinn Coull, Mckenzie Duenne, William Ellsey, Talula Kimball, Paige Littlefield, Taylor Neptune, Alexandria O’Hara and Addison Witham. Grade 5: Kayliana Allen, Tyler Clark, Eilah Dillaway, Peyton Dowe, Madison Field, Scott Fitts, Xavier Foss, Adalyn Glidden, Bailey Goforth, Caspar Hooper, Mason Lagasse, Harley McEachern, Josslyn Ouellette, Mackenzie Oxley, Taiya Rankins, Grady Sounier and Bryson Stratton. Grade 4: Benjamin Allen, Grayson Atwood, Jackson Bailey, Dominick Bickford, Ryleigh French, Jasmine Garey, Gabriella Lathrop, Drew Lindqist, Brandon Neagle, Ryder Neptune-Reny, Paige Perry, Sovie Rau, Kayden Renna and Judson Smith. Grade 3: Samuel Bechard, Mason Brewer, Basil Dillaway, Ariya Doyen, Gabriella Duarte, Lily Giroux, Lillyana Krastev, Jack LaPierre, Elizabeth Longfellow, Hannah McMurtry, Jaelyn Moore, Weston Pappas, Noah Rau and GraceTobey.


Grade 8: Tucker Greenwald, Carlos Michaud and Galianna Michaud. Grade 7: Kaylene Glidden, Echo Hawk, Willow Merchant, Ayden Michaud, Kayden Painchaud, Kaelyn Pappas, Ava Prickett, Zachary Stewart and Sterling Williams. Grade 6: Elisha Baker, Moira Bevan, Saunders Chase, Jordan Cressey, Leigh-Ann Gagnon, Seth Hansen, Daniel Ouellette, Emily Piecewicz, Gabriel Shorey and Trevor Tibbetts. Grade 5: Traydyn Austin, Aliya Bourque, Emma Charleston, Wyatt Ellis, Olivia Leonard, Tyson Pooler, Noah Pooler, Landon Tassinari, Payton Thornton and Autumn Willis. Grade 4: Bentley Austin, Trystyn Brown, Zoey DeMerchant, Austin Devoe, Dylan Dodge, Zachary Kinrade, Cooper Lajoie, Caleb Marden, Bentley Pooler, Landon Sullivan, Hannah Tobey and William Trainor. Grade 3: DaVontay Austin, Isadora Duarte, Preston Duenne, Harlen Fortin, Jaziah Garcia, Jeremy Hawk, Elliot McQuarrie, Cheyanne Norton and Landen Theobald.

Mt. View Chamber Singers to be featured in Winslow

One of Winslow’s most beloved and eagerly-anticipated Christmas concerts is coming soon! Once again the beloved Mt. View Chamber Singers will bring their magnificent, candle-lit Christmas concert-in-the round to Winslow Congregational Church (12 Lithgow Street), on Sunday, December 8, at 4 p.m. The singers also will perform at Vassalboro United Methodist Church on Thursday, December 5, at 7 p.m.

All concerts are FREE, with donations gratefully accepted. CDs will be available for purchase at a “meet and greet” with the students immediately following each performance.

The Mt. View Chamber Singers will perform at numerous locations throughout Maine this Christmas season. For a complete list of upcoming concerts, please visit:

For more information, please call Winslow Congregational Church at 872-2544.

Vassalboro planning board meeting rescheduled to December 10

by Mary Grow

The Vassalboro Planning Board meeting scheduled for Dec. 3 has been postponed to Dec. 10 at 7 p.m. in the town office meeting room. The major agenda item for Dec. 3 was continued review of the proposed Sidereal Brewery on Cross Hill Road.